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Frederick Royal III:
Martha, thank you for joining us today. You've been thriving for years. I'd love to dig into your personal and professional journeys.
Martha de la Torre:
Well thank you for having me.
Frederick Royal III:
Your Ecuadorian parents immigrated to the U.S. in the 1950s. How did their experiences adapting to a new country and culture shape your upbringing?
Martha de la Torre:
Well, my parents came, like so many parents, for a better opportunity. They had nothing in Ecuador, they came with nothing, but they impressed me with their work ethic. They worked so hard to ensure that we had financial security, but also reflecting back, they also made sure that we had a balanced family life.
Frederick Royal III:
What led you and your husband to start El Clasificado in 1988?
Martha de la Torre:
Well, I had never planned on being an entrepreneur. I saw the Hispanic market booming and I saw nothing for free to, especially recent immigrants who were looking for jobs, a home, a car. There was nothing like the penny saver. So I said, someone should do a penny saver in Spanish and people say, I should do it. Out of curiosity, I wrote a business plan and then I got so into it that I launched it. Joe thought it was a great idea. He didn't really want to be part of it, but he was the reluctant angel investor and raised a lot of capital from family and friends.
Frederick Royal III:
How has your business evolved over time? And has there been a make or break moment for the business? And if so, how did you navigate it?
Martha de la Torre:
Well, so many people say what a great idea it was, and the Hispanic market was booming, so it seemed great, except that we were at the tail end of a boom and at the beginning of a recession. We should have gone bankrupt the first seven years. And Joe and I did side jobs and eventually I said, “I will not walk away. I will not go bankrupt, but I will keep the company going until I pay off the debt and the investors.” And fortunately, by the time that happened, we turned around. We started cash flowing, we started having fun, and then we grew. And Joe really believed in the viability. When he got involved, he saw hundreds of people picking up our magazines on the street. He goes, “Wow, magazines are disappearing in one day.” This is a great product and he created a great distribution system that eventually took us from L.A., almost all of California at one point.
Frederick Royal III:
I think it's fascinating how you've been able to have your business pivot and further evolve from print to digital. Can you share with us about how this allowed you to grow your footprint?
Martha de la Torre:
At one point we had 800,000 copies a week, and we wanted to get to all of California; that was our dream. We were one of the first hundred thousand websites in 1996 because my brother pushed us to do it. Glad we did. But it didn't really move the needle, do anything, it was something on the side in those days. But we were always growing it. Once we went mobile, we were a leader in the media world of classified marketplaces. And with digital, we grew everywhere. Eventually we didn't have just one ElClasificado.com; we now have 200 El Clasificados on hyperlocal communities.
Frederick Royal III:
How do these market transformations alter your approach to marketing to the Hispanic and Latino community?
Martha de la Torre:
Well, when you have digital data, which you get a lot of from our website, over a million unique visitors and thousands of people placing ads every day, you learn a lot. You learn about products you didn't know, people were buying and selling on our marketplace. And I shared with one of my English media colleagues, I said, “I have a really good keyword for you: dilers, D-I-L-E-R-S.” I said I didn't know what that was. And everyone's looking for them and we realize it's “auto dealers,” but it's dilers because that's the way Latinos were spelling it. So our SEO was so great and so authentic, and that's what really helped us to grow to one of the top. Now we're one of the top classified marketplaces in the U.S.
Frederick Royal III:
Oh, that's amazing. And true testament to the business that you've built over the last 35 years. Incredible conversation, Martha, congratulations on all your success.
Martha de la Torre:
Thank you.
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Businesses today face constant change and uncertainty. Between economic fluctuations, mixed market signals, complex Fed strategy and shifting workplace dynamics, companies must stay nimble to thrive.
To celebrate businesses that become stronger through adversity, we’re speaking with Hispanic and Latino, Black, women, veteran, disabled and LGBTQ+ business owners about their success. We’re focusing on how they’re overcoming challenges in:
This is the third conversation in our ongoing series, “Thriving in uncertain times,” where we hear from business leaders on how they build resilient organizations. In this discussion, Frederick Royall III, National Head of Diverse Businesses for JPMorgan Chase Commercial Banking, spoke with Martha de la Torre, CEO and co-founder of the largest Spanish-language classifieds service in the U.S.
Finding—and retaining—talented employees is crucial in an environment with record low unemployment levels. Even a company that publishes millions of job listings has challenges finding the right workers.
A company’s reputation—and how it treats people—can go a long way in attracting applicants.
“People like coming to work here,” de la Torre said. “We train people who often start with no skills, and they can learn digital marketing.”
Working at EC Hispanic Media has even attracted the attention of recruiters at major tech companies like Google. When those companies hire her people, de la Torre considers it “a badge of honor.” Better still: When “those great employees who went to the corporate world come back,” she added. “It’s important we keep relationships with our former employees.”
COVID-19 changed the workforce, but the publishing industry has been navigating disruptions going back decades. De la Torre said her employees have always been motivated to adapt—and a culture of promotion from within encourages teams to add new skills.
“We always try to keep our eye on the future, on where we want to be, and hire the skills that we need tomorrow.”
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Frederick Royal III:
As you know, the labor market has been in a state of flux. Martha, how have you found quality talent amid external pressures?
Martha de la Torre:
Well, long ago we decided we were going to start hiring people in high school, people in college, because they could use computers, that's why it started then. And a lot of those people, even if they went to college and finished, they stayed with us. I didn't think our company was going to be big enough for them to want to stay. So we tried to understand, what were the things that were keeping them here and continue to run our company that way. And some people aren't big on running a company like a family, but to me, we spent so much time here, you have to be respectfully involved in your employees' lives, be empathetic with what they need. And I think that type of reputation gets around. I try to learn what makes people successful at El Casificado. Do they have curiosity? Do they have a great attitude? Because you can train a lot of people who don't have skills, who may not even have gone to college if they have the right attitude. And so I'm always out there looking for those skills, people who are just look really happy doing what they're doing, want to do the best job, then we invite 'em to come apply.
Frederick Royal III:
Follow up question. What's your approach to staffing through market downturns? And also what about scaling up?
Martha de la Torre:
Well, we really thought after COVID we were just going to scale so fast and digital and grow, and we were hiring for the future. But unfortunately with the downturn, it's been difficult. My husband and I do not have children. We plan to somehow give our company to our employees and we're trying to prepare for that. And they could take it to another level and hopefully that ensures retention.
Frederick Royal III:
Yeah, no, that's exciting. And certainly providing economic ownership opportunities to your employees, I can certainly see how that would provide additional incentives for them. What trends do you think may impact the future workforce and the skills that they need to be successful?
Martha de la Torre:
Remote working is here to stay; for people with the right work ethic, it can work. We do hundreds of hours of training for every employee. We have to also help our employees who are not bilingual to become bilingual.
Frederick Royal III:
What advice would you give for other businesses that may not be in the media space, in terms of given this transformation that's taking place, with back to remote work? Like key things that they should think about to get in front of?
Martha de la Torre:
The best way to learn how to succeed in your industry is make sure you go to conferences and meet with competitors, with colleagues in a friendly way, and find out what they're doing, learn from others and get ideas so you can bring that back to your own team and see what works and tweak it for yourself. That's the best way to learn: see what others are doing. You don't have to invent the wheel for every little thing you do.
Frederick Royal III:
Martha, we really appreciate your insights and best practices for recruiting, trading, and retaking plays. Thank you so much.
Martha de la Torre:
Thank you.
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De la Torre takes a balanced approach to risk management. Testing new approaches helps the company innovate and grow—even if some of the ideas fall short. Everything is discussed, alternatives are compared, and opportunity costs are calculated.
“We try to stick to things that are part of our core business,” she said. “There are often many things we can do being in the Hispanic market. It’s a blue ocean out there—a lot of Latinos are not being served the same services as the non-Latino market—but we can’t do everything.”
The approach has allowed EC Hispanic Media’s legacy print operation to remain profitable in a digitized world.
“It’s about anticipating obstacles and challenges, whether the economy or disruption in our industry,” she said. “Anticipate and work toward the future—even if it’s just an inch and not leaps, because of things out of our control.”
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Frederick Royal III:
Martha, you know from experience that big risks can lead to big rewards. But they can also do significant damage to a company's bottom line. What's your approach to risk management?
Martha de la Torre:
I love to try new things for our clients, find new ways to help them. But… I fall back on being a CPA and my husband’s a CPA. We don't take risks that we can't afford. We're willing to take risks that might fail, but we won't take risks that will break or cause us to endanger the financial strength of the company. And we try to stick to our niche, which is Spanish speaking Latinos, the ones who prefer to buy and sell services and products in Spanish, and what do they need? What do their audiences need? What do their customers need? What do their families need? And we stick with that. And if it looks like it's something we need to do because… the trends are showing that, and we get a lot of data, again, like I said from ElCasificado.com, we will test. So we try different things and fortunately, I have a really good team that has learned to fail fast. Or proceed and learn from those insights and take it to the next big product. And that's how we manage risk.
Frederick Royal III:
How does that approach to risk change as volatility increases?
Martha de la Torre:
So we keep our eye on the future. Where do we want to be? And we're in a disruptive industry. We still have to be ready with new products to replace antiquated products. We still have to/can grow our audience. We still can grow our pipeline of prospects. Every prospect is also an email audience. So we try to optimize, monetize what we can, and accept the things that will be growing steadily – or shrinking, like print revenues. We accept that they're shrinking. We're just trying to manage that shrinkage.
Frederick Royal III:
What resource challenges did you face when you were starting the company, and how did you overcome them?
Martha de la Torre:
When we started El Casificado, the SBA didn't loan any money to media companies. They only loaned money to companies with hard assets like machinery. Joe was the reluctant angel investor. He did a great job of raising capital from friends and business associates. So there were a lot of challenges with that, and that's why possibly when I should have shut the business down, I didn't because these were people I knew and I could never face if I did not pay them back. And fortunately years later, we've paid back our investors. Now we feel freer to make the decisions and risks that we have to take for the future. Do we do more video? Do we do more social media? Do we build more marketplaces? We have a lot of choices. We have access to capital because we have a strong financial position, but we're choosing to only invest with our own funds. So, we're always managing that.
Frederick Royal III:
Financial discipline is crucial to long-term success. Thank you Martha for giving us a peek into how you stay on top of it.
Martha de la Torre:
Thank you.
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Companies need resilient systems, but resiliency is also a mindset that gets easier over time, de la Torre said. And the willingness to ride out hard times presents new growth opportunities.
“Those first tough years, we struggled with cash flow. Surviving that, you can find happiness out of that experience, something that was so negative,” she said. “We survived Y2K, no problem. We survived 9/11. We survived the 2008 crash; we actually did better.”
EC Hispanic Media calls its long-term objectives BHAGs: Big, Hairy, Audacious Goals.
“That’s like the Everest goal,” she said. “We always want to move forward toward that success, but we always want to be in control and don’t want to destabilize the company with decisions we’re making.”
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Frederick Royal III:
Business resiliency is always a priority, but as you've certainly seen, every CEO has their own take on what that means. How can a company ensure business resiliency through market instability?
Martha de la Torre:
The first thing you have to do is be customer centric. If the market is unstable, how can you ensure that your customers stay afloat, they survive, they succeed? And if you do that and get your team on board to make sure they're taking care of their customers, then you are also going to be successful through a downturn. You do what you can to get through it together as a team, as a community, as a partnership.
Frederick Royal III:
Can you talk a bit about how COVID impacted your business? What big decisions did you have to make to both remain solvent and to continue to serve your customers?
Martha de la Torre:
Our first customers, our biggest customers, called and said, “We're going to keep advertising, but we need to make accommodations.” Because we're in a disruptive industry and because we're accountants, we always have the worst case scenario plans. And if we had lost print completely, we already had a plan that we could survive just without ElCasificado.com with 12 employees. So having that in our mind, it was easier to adapt. So, we stayed on top of: what do we think the government is going to do for assistance? We met with all our employees in groups. We looked at the furlough opportunities, and then we were able to apply for the stimulus package. And by the end of April, we had our money in the bank. By the next working day, we brought most of our employees back. We got everything stabilized and then we focused on our customers.
Frederick Royal III:
What do you think makes a leader worth following?
Martha de la Torre:
Employees have different DNAs, and sometimes someone's not successful at something, but it might be your communication. It might be that you're not focused on their strength, you're focused on their weaknesses. And a leader who can see the positives in those skills that you don't even know you have, I think that's a good leader. A leader should have a vision, should be able to adapt and pivot. A leader should always-- to not accept the status quo. A leader should always be looking at better ways to do things and share knowledge. Not everyone is going to be a leader, but if they all adopt a couple of the skills that you influence them with and make them a better person, a happier person, then you're going to have an incredible dream team.
Frederick Royal III:
Who do you consider a leadership role model and why?
Martha de la Torre:
I would say that's my husband Joe. Came to work with us reluctantly because he didn't see the viability initially and then once he had that aha moment of seeing like, wow, people want our product… People come tell us that their businesses survived, only using El Casificado. That really motivated him and where I was happy to be a $2 million company, a $10 million company, he goes, “No, we can do better. We could do more.” And when he commits himself to something, he's so driven and very process oriented and very organized, and he makes everyone have fun while we're working hard. So I've learned a lot from him and I think we're a good balance with each other, and that's why we're in our sixties and still having fun coming to work. But then I also have to say the women in my family, my mother, my aunts, my grandmothers, they were all trailblazers and leaders in their small way. And my dad, my dad always expected the same out of me as he did of my brothers and I'm really glad that they never made me feel that I was not going to be able to accomplish what I wanted to do because I was a woman. So if it ever happened, I never noticed.
Frederick Royal III:
That's truly wonderful. This has been such a great conversation, Martha. Thank you.
Martha de la Torre:
Thank you so much.
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In one of the darkest periods of the COVID-19 pandemic, EC Hispanic Media threw a lifeline to struggling organizations by helping them move their businesses online. Understanding its customers’ urgent needs, de la Torre and her team launched an EC Stimulus Package promotion that deepened customer loyalty, solidified a growing digital market and earned acclaim from across the media industry.
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Frederick Royal III:
Can you talk a bit about how COVID impacted your business? What big decisions did you have to make to both remain solvent and to continue to serve your customers?
Martha de la Torre:
A lot of our customers still believed they only needed print. COVID made them realize that maybe they need something else; how are they going to get found if people are not on the streets picking up the magazine? But, of course, now with COVID, they don't have the money to pay for more marketing solutions. So we decided, you know what? We will create our own EC stimulus package. Our goal was to give away 1,000 marketing solutions to 1,000 underserved, mostly Latino businesses, and we came close to that goal. Our other goal was hopefully when this is over 20%, we'll convert to paying digital customers because they now realized an online presence is going to bring them more business, going to get 'em through COVID, more than 20% converted. We were recognized globally by the IAB, by Google, we were on television, and we won an Eppy award.
So we were really happy that we got recognized for something that we did that was so important to save our customers. And we continued that initiative in different ways, in different niches to say, “Okay, this group of businesses needs help. Can we come up with something low cost? Then we can either afford to give them for free completely or partner with someone to give them a product for free until we see if it works for them.” And then once it works, they're getting customers, they're happy to pay for digital products. So, we did our own EC stimulus package that we're really proud of and we're always continuing with that motto of taking care of our core audiences and our core customers. Keep them surviving and thriving, they trust us and they will keep us thriving.
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